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Topic created by: LUFC Forever on 09 Dec 2007 at 21:19
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Post: #1 - 09 Dec 2007 21:19
Was just watching this. It was out of (in order of number to call):

Joe Calzaghe
Lewis Hamilton
Ricky Hatton
Andy Murray
Christine Ohuruogu
Paula Radcliffe
James Toseland
Jason Robinson
Justin Rose
Johnny Wilkinson

These were the winners:

1st Joe Calzaghe
2nd Lewis Hamilton
3rd Ricky Hatton

Maybe the callers just added in the first 3 numbers they saw? Anyway, your opinion on the results?
I felt if Hatton had own this morning he would have been right up for 1st place, same if Hamilton won the Grand Prix a few months back.

So, your thoughts?
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Post: #2 - 09 Dec 2007 21:27
Calzaghe yer he deserved it he been fantastic

hamilton yer he was brilaint in F1 he didnt win but hes young he'll probably win it next year

Hatton i fink last nights fight did sway the votes if hed won he prob would have been personality of the year but he did get KO'd

jason robinson and jonny wilkinson just why were they on it wat about the ret of the team that got to the final wat does that say yer we all got to the final but we'll ppick jus them 2 to go up for an award


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Post: #3 - 09 Dec 2007 21:40
calzaghe and hatton deserve to be in the top 3, hatton would have defo won it if hed won last nyt. Cant decide between robbo or hamilton for 3rd tho
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Post: #4 - 09 Dec 2007 21:53
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jason robinson and jonny wilkinson just why were they on it wat about the ret of the team that got to the final wat does that say yer we all got to the final but we'll ppick jus them 2 to go up for an award



Because they were the two players that inspired England to do so well. Yes, they did do excellently as a team, from a side hammered by South Africa in the group stages, to recover from that to get to final, knocking out the favourites and the hosts along the way. But you can't pick the whole team, so the best 2 were. Wilkinson was key in England's victory over France, and scored some great points along the way, and Robinson had an excellent campaign.
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Post: #5 - 09 Dec 2007 23:05
The fact that Andy Priaulx didn't even get a nomination...again! Shows how pointless this competition has become.

I mean, let's look at the contenders:
Joe Calzaghe: 2 fights, 2 wins in 07. While I'm not doubting his ability, how can anyone really claim that he (or any other boxer) has done more this year than someone who's been around the world spending most of the year away from his family.

Lewis Hamilton: Great Driver with a superb potential, but he's a Failure and, now, someone who'd happy sacrifice being patriotic and living in his country of birth to avoid getting his millions taxed.

Ricky Hatton: 3 fights, 2 wins, 1 defeat. See Calzaghe for the rest.

Andy Murray: Spent 2 gram slams out injured, and wasn't exactly spectacular at the others.

Christine Ohuruogu: Came back from a drugs ban, wins 1 race and suddenly she's the best athlete in Britain!

Paula Radcliffe: Had a baby, won a race and suddenly she's the best marathon runner in Britain!

Jason Robinson: Helped England to the World Cup final, but they failed! Why nominated?

Justin Rose: Golf isn't a sport, so it doesn't count

James Toseland: Yay! Someone who actually proved himself to be better than the rest this year!

Jonny Wilkinson: See Robinson for this.

Sorry for the rant, but it just seems as though the BBC are sacrificing celebrating the real success some of our sportsmen have achieved this year for ensuring the big names are happy.

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Post: #6 - 10 Dec 2007 00:22
For once i actually almost completely disagree with everything you just said (well, on the people of which i have a knowlegable interest in anyway)

For one, the award is sports personality not achievement. Whilst obviously achievement plays a major part in it, the amount of success we actually achive leads to sportsmanship/role modelness being an important factor aswel.

Calzaghe is a boxer which is one of the hardest sports in the world. 2 fights a year for a middleweight is about average and in them fights he fought outstanding, manfredo never really got a look in and he had the fight of his life v kessler showing far greater stamina despite being quite a bit older.

Same goes for hatton, his personality the way he has handled himself throughout the last couple of months and his never say die attitude is somethign special and a real inspiration to every young boxer in britain.

And fair enough, being away from your family is tough, but being repeatedly smacked in the face isnt really a walk in the park either.

Lewis hamilton, imo, judgement should be based purely on sport, not where he chooses to live. Good season and deserves to be a contender imo but overhyped by the media a bit and doesnt deserve to win.

Jason robinson - Instrumental player in a team which was 2nd best out of 20 teams. Thats like saying if drogba had scored 100 goals for chelsea last season but they finished 2nd then he wouldnt be player of the year because his team failed to win the prem. a player can only take a team so far, its up to the other 14 aswel.

I dont really know enough about the others to comment, but those 4 dont deserve to just be written off like that imo
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Post: #7 - 10 Dec 2007 08:54
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Lewis Hamilton: Great Driver with a superb potential, but he's a Failure and, now, someone who'd happy sacrifice being patriotic and living in his country of birth to avoid getting his millions taxed.

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yer he was a failure but its his first year in F1 no one had even heard of him before this year so comeing in the top 3 in your first season is a failure? yes he could have won but know he has something to build on and get better if he had won it this year the prressure would have huge on him for next year and he prob would have lost then
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Post: #8 - 10 Dec 2007 11:24
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For one, the award is sports personality not achievement. Whilst obviously achievement plays a major part in it, the amount of success we actually achive leads to sportsmanship/role modelness being an important factor aswel.

Lewis hamilton, imo, judgement should be based purely on sport, not where he chooses to live. Good season and deserves to be a contender imo but overhyped by the media a bit and doesnt deserve to win.


Doesn't that sorta contradict the first paragraph (in the quote). If the award is based on personality and not achievement, surely his choice to move away from England would be a contributing factor?

I'm not trying to write off any of the other contenders, many of them have had very good years and have made their country proud. My point is that how can some of the people, who can be easily classed as a failure, be nominated ahead of someone who's recently become a champion for the third year running?
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Post: #9 - 10 Dec 2007 11:26
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Lewis Hamilton: Great Driver with a superb potential, but he's a Failure and, now, someone who'd happy sacrifice being patriotic and living in his country of birth to avoid getting his millions taxed.

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yer he was a failure but its his first year in F1 no one had even heard of him before this year so comeing in the top 3 in your first season is a failure? yes he could have won but know he has something to build on and get better if he had won it this year the prressure would have huge on him for next year and he prob would have lost then


I'd heard of him 2 years ago, so there goes your theory. Your not understanding my point, which is, the only reason Hamilton was nominated because people had actually heard of him, not because of his achievements this year.
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Post: #10 - 10 Dec 2007 11:29
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For once i actually almost completely disagree with everything you just said (well, on the people of which i have a knowlegable interest in anyway)

For one, the award is sports personality not achievement. Whilst obviously achievement plays a major part in it, the amount of success we actually achive leads to sportsmanship/role modelness being an important factor aswel.

Calzaghe is a boxer which is one of the hardest sports in the world. 2 fights a year for a middleweight is about average and in them fights he fought outstanding, manfredo never really got a look in and he had the fight of his life v kessler showing far greater stamina despite being quite a bit older.

Same goes for hatton, his personality the way he has handled himself throughout the last couple of months and his never say die attitude is somethign special and a real inspiration to every young boxer in britain.

And fair enough, being away from your family is tough, but being repeatedly smacked in the face isnt really a walk in the park either.

Lewis hamilton, imo, judgement should be based purely on sport, not where he chooses to live. Good season and deserves to be a contender imo but overhyped by the media a bit and doesnt deserve to win.

Jason robinson - Instrumental player in a team which was 2nd best out of 20 teams. Thats like saying if drogba had scored 100 goals for chelsea last season but they finished 2nd then he wouldnt be player of the year because his team failed to win the prem. a player can only take a team so far, its up to the other 14 aswel.

I dont really know enough about the others to comment, but those 4 dont deserve to just be written off like that imo


Sorry to do such a long quote - but well said that man!

The fact is we're all going to have our favourites based on what sports we follow closely and others which we are just aware of.

For example, I'm sure all the golfing fans out there were rooting for Justin Rose.

It would be naive of me to state an encyclopedic knowledge of each sport, but I do know this. The reason people were nominated is because they deserved to be nominated. After all there must be a reason why they were on the list. Just because you think Lewis Hamilton hasn't achieved as much as Ricky Hatton or whatever, doesn't mean all those nominated haven't had excellent years in their sports. Who wins / loses is always going to be up for debate but to simply state that almost everyone on the list was undeserving is complete twaddle.
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Post: #11 - 10 Dec 2007 20:30
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Doesn't that sorta contradict the first paragraph (in the quote). If the award is based on personality and not achievement, surely his choice to move away from England would be a contributing factor?




I meant that in context of his sports personaility. I.e. what he does whilst driving, if hes a dirty river that should be taken into account but where he chooses to live or what he does with his private life imo shouldnt be a factor in the voting

Fair enough i see your point about the achievements, but i suppose engliand havent really had a victorious year and they were probably looking for a fair balance of sportsmen for the public to choose from. So imo the nominations are fair enough, but the winner was down to the general public, who do some stupid things anyway (watch reality tv stands as a prime example here lol)
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Post: #12 - 10 Dec 2007 21:55
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I meant that in context of his sports personaility. I.e. what he does whilst driving, if hes a dirty river that should be taken into account but where he chooses to live or what he does with his private life imo shouldnt be a factor in the voting



What do dirty rivers have to do with anything

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Post: #13 - 11 Dec 2007 07:38
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I meant that in context of his sports personaility. I.e. what he does whilst driving, if hes a dirty river that should be taken into account but where he chooses to live or what he does with his private life imo shouldnt be a factor in the voting



What do dirty rivers have to do with anything


LOL!

A freudian slip there by Jonski.

Dirty drivers my good man!
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Post: #14 - 11 Dec 2007 13:53
No disrespect to anyone here but the people who were up for Sports Personality of the year are all amazing people that you should have tremendous respect for! Its alright sitting at your computer saying stuff like Lewis Hamilton is a failure, which to be honest is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard! because the guy is an amazing talent! You have no right to to talk down about these people they are amazing athletes and will achieve more in life than we ever will!

That guy 'Gashead' specifically has just demonstrated whats wrong with the English people, arrogant and stupid to say the least. It's people like you that give the English people a bad name!
Post: #15 - 11 Dec 2007 16:06
So where art thou from?

And tbh Hamilton is anything but a failure. For a rookie to come second and win 4 races in his first year is pretty amazing. It's like saying a football team got promoted then only came second in the Premiership is a failure because they didn't win it. Basically are you saying he is a failure because he couldn't win in his first grand prix? He's come closer than any other rookie!
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Post: #16 - 11 Dec 2007 16:07
lol ah the good old no disrepect but your arrogant and stupid technique
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Post: #17 - 11 Dec 2007 17:23
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lol ah the good old no disrepect but your arrogant and stupid technique


Hehe, I do like that method.

Closely followed by

"You're entitled to your opinion, but.."

Good old GT subteltly.
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Post: #18 - 11 Dec 2007 21:55
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No disrespect to anyone here but the people who were up for Sports Personality of the year are all amazing people that you should have tremendous respect for! Its alright sitting at your computer saying stuff like Lewis Hamilton is a failure, which to be honest is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard! because the guy is an amazing talent! You have no right to to talk down about these people they are amazing athletes and will achieve more in life than we ever will!

That guy 'Gashead' specifically has just demonstrated whats wrong with the English people, arrogant and stupid to say the least. It's people like you that give the English people a bad name!


I'm not saying I don't respect the people who were nominated, but you're just reading what you want to read and not actually reading whats there.

My complaint is that too many of the people nominated didn't achieve their championship in their sport. Would Man Utd fans class finishing 4th in a trophy-less season a "success"? Of course they wouldn't.

Do yourself a favour, look up Andy Priaulx before running your mouth around here again.
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Post: #19 - 12 Dec 2007 07:01
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I'm not saying I don't respect the people who were nominated, but you're just reading what you want to read and not actually reading whats there.

My complaint is that too many of the people nominated didn't achieve their championship in their sport. Would Man Utd fans class finishing 4th in a trophy-less season a "success"? Of course they wouldn't.

Do yourself a favour, look up Andy Priaulx before running your mouth around here again.


As Jonski has already said the Sports Personality has been about just that - personality.

Its not the "Sportsperson of the year" or "Greatest achievement in sport" award that these people were up for.

So, the people that were nominated are going to be people who despite (in some cases) not winning everything possible this year, have shown an excellent sporting personality, such as determination, character etc.

Unfortunately what this means is its always going to be the most mediased sportspeople that are up for these awards because these are the personalities we are most likely to relate with, and after all its the public that decide.

Its like if the Scottish national football team had won best team, it wouldn't be their achievements as such this year - they failed to qualify for Euro 2008 afterall. It would be for their improvement, grit and determination.
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Post: #20 - 12 Dec 2007 10:09
england rugby team won best team they didnt win in the final so are they a failure?
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